Only my mom and sister are JW now. Neither of the two are active. My mom holds on to the belief because it gives her hope. She loss her father last year and my grandmother is 85. If the religion was to collapse I think she would be depressed, but then maybe we can have a Christmas again. The last Christmas we did as a family was 1982.
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If the Watchtower truly collapsed, how would you deal with your JW relatives?
by nicolaou inimagine the best case scenario.
the watchtower society implodes from within even making final printed admissions that it is voluntarily dismantling it's mission and legally dissolving the corporations.
oh happy day!
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Welfare and Witnesses
by adjusted knowledge ini'm ignorant to the social welfare programs outside the us, but listening to others i have to assume in europe it is more generous.
i've not had deep personal conversation with active witnesses for nearly 20 years.
last year i made contact with a family and some elders came to my house.
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I'm ignorant to the social welfare programs outside the US, but listening to others I have to assume in Europe it is more generous. I've not had deep personal conversation with active witnesses for nearly 20 years. Last year I made contact with a family and some Elders came to my house. But I avoided personal conversation and stuck to explanations on all the changes in WT doctrine.
As a child I can recall only one family that had money, but they moved to my congregation towards the end of my childhood. A lot of families were on welfare, especially those that consisted of pioneers. My mother worked full-time, and my father was a high school teacher and held jobs on weeknights teaching at the prison, and weekends doing financial auditing. He was very grumpy and a mean SOB at times (nothing physical just so tired and wanted to sleep).
One day this Elder came to our house and started to condemn my father for buying a "new" car. It was actually a used car, my family never had a "new" car. He told my father he was pursuing material things and should come back to the kingdom hall. My father was never baptized and study with the witnesses for about five years. He stopped when I was about 12 because of the hypocrisy he saw within the congregation and the favoritism that was given to JW elder's children.
This same Elder that criticized my father, never worked a single day throughout my time in the organization. He was the anointed I mentioned in another thread. His wife worked full-time, and he "pioneered". His extended family were on food stamps, medicaid, ect.. This allowed his daughter to be a pioneer. These pioneers and elders will condemn others for pursuing material things over spiritual matters, but they don't know what its like to support a family just on your income alone.
The WT has one of the best business plans I've seen. Free labor, tax free income, and its workers are subsidized by tax payers.
oh and their charity work "we teach literacy" what a scam
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If They Stopped Shunning Tomorrow?
by cofty inimagine that the cult decided to stop shunning family members on the proviso that the dfd person was not actively trying to attack the cult.. (please don't debate whether or not this is likely - it's hypothetical).
how would you respond to your family?.
personally i think i would be less than cooperative.
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If they lifted or softened their rules on shunning, I don't think it will have the impact some here think it will. Do you think that your children, parents, and former friends that have shunned you for many years will all of a sudden reach out to you? They will still view you as unrepentant, mentally diseased, worldly, and bad association. I don't see a daughter or son that has shunned their parents for a decade and withhold their children from meeting their grandparents all of a sudden have a change of heart.
The Watchtower Inc. would have to give not only permission but also encourage those to reach out, and that won't happen. Every year the WT publishes the same narratives several times a year. First narrative is the example of Korah being "swallowed up" for not following Moses and that not following the Governing Body is a death sentence. Second is Jesus stating he came not for Peace but with a Sword pitching daughter against father ect.... These two are repeated over and over again every single year I was a witness, and I still see it in their literature to this day.
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WoMD ... so where are they?
by Simon innow, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
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If you watch an interview with Chaney back in the mid 90's or maybe early 90's he talks about how it would be a mistake to invade Iraq. It is an amazing interview. Chaney predicted all the stuff that would happen if we invaded and gave that as a reason why Bush Sr. didn't invade.
Both wars have had a major impact on US debt and destabilizing the region IMO.
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What Do Creationists do in their Laboratories?
by cofty inwell they actually do cutting-edge research and publish peer-reviewed papers (well, reviewed by other creationists actually).
here is a recent example by "dr" danny faulkner on whether the flood lasted for 371 or 365 days..... you will always remember where you were when you first heard of this leap in human knowledge.. spoiler alert - he concludes it doesn't matter either way.
the nobel prize committee have been alerted!.
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So few creationist do a good job of providing intellectual thought to their arguments. I can understand that believing in intelligent design is a difficult position to hold, but they should make an attempt of postulating logical points for discussion.
I think the best they can do is ask questions, which in itself doesn't prove creationist viewpoints but it does spur reasonable conversation.
The complexity argument is one they use. Richard Dawkins addresses that one, though I don't think his argument is that strong.
The two questions I would ask if I was a creationist, is why doesn't abiogenesis and endosymbiosis happen today?
Again, a lack of information doesn't prove God, but it is much better discussion than their pseudoscience approach.
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Biology Blog site if anyone is interested
by adjusted knowledge ini'm currently enrolled in a nursing program, but plan on continuing into medical school.
i'm required to take an additional seven science courses.
this summer i'm taking a biology course/lab.
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I'm attending two schools. I do my nursing clinical at a community college and my bachelor courses at University of South Florida. They have an agreement for a concurrent program. -
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Biology Blog site if anyone is interested
by adjusted knowledge ini'm currently enrolled in a nursing program, but plan on continuing into medical school.
i'm required to take an additional seven science courses.
this summer i'm taking a biology course/lab.
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I'm currently enrolled in a nursing program, but plan on continuing into medical school. I'm required to take an additional seven science courses. This summer I'm taking a biology course/lab. My professor introduce this blog that I thought explained some topics that were posted here in the past. It basically has some short videos on some very interesting topics.
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'Anointeds' Do you know any and if so what are they like ?
by Introvert 2 inwould like to hear about any experiences anyone has had with the so called ' anointed ' .
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The anointed one I knew was in field service one day, and the person at the door ask why God would allow Aids. The JW responded if you follow the bible you won't get Aids. Apparently this anointed JW heard something similar at a convention and couldn't wait to use his one line zinger. Well apparently this person he was witnessing to had a relative that was a child with Aids. It wasn't a pretty scene to say the least. This was back in the late 80s when Aids was being blamed on homosexuals.
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How Do You Feel About All The Time You Wasted Being. A Jehovah's Witness?
by minimus inall that i can say is....what a shame!
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I became inactive around 17 and completely out by age 21. I've been able to pursue higher education and a comfortable lifestyle. My time as a JW was not too bad. My father was not a witness but enforced their rules. My mother wasn't "strong" in the faith. She was viewed and our family as spiritually weak. The congregation condescending attitude help make the exit much easier.
The only "regrets" I have is the loss friendships I've could of had, and some childhood activities. However overall it wasn't that bad. Some good times while a witness youth, and best of all no "brother" every tried to touch my peeter.
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JW Records Request - United States
by cappytan inhas anyone in the united states ever successfully gotten their publisher records from the society?
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The congregation I was in kept them in a lock room behind the service counter. That was in the 90's. We had some dopey Elders, that same room was where the cleaning supplies were held. Even knew of an Elder that kept notes on peeps on his personal computer. He was eventually removed, but kinda of creepy.